Various dynoplots of tuned d14, around the web

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Dodo Bizar wrote:I never saw it... just heard of it. But Polish? I thought Bulgarian or so...

Ah or bulgarian or something i saved it onto my hard drive.I was going true some dyno plots and noticed that dyno of 153hp doesn't look like a D14 in any way.Hp curves and torque curves are different ,most D14 curves i've seen act all the same .Even the 145bhp curve of your setup Joris .
I compared it to a D16 dyno and appears to be just that.It was a D14 with only a very wild cam now i remember.I think it was a D16 with some mods.
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Do you think it is BS? I would really like to have the owner of that car on this forum explaining it. Can you post the graph (or send it to me so I can put it up?).
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Well it was hard to believe in the first place with Only a wild cam on a D14 to gain that much hp and a lot of torque. That torque curve doesn't look like D14 at all either.

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Are we sure it's not a d16 claiming it to be d14?
What is weird about this plot apart from the high numbers and the low revs that 150hp are performed?
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I found it,it was posted under valvetrain /cam section.
demolik wrote:
Dodo Bizar wrote:The head should actually be identical, it is the cam that probably makes all the diff. Curious how this cam actually runs... any dyno's of those?
actully it's not easy to find and prove becouse everybody have few more mods at thesame time...

But here you have some nice project- I try to translate best I can:
http://www.civicklub.pl/fi/__vbb/showthread.php?t=26449

engine: D14A3
- damper engine
- sharp cam GMS -the best Polish cams workshop
- cam wheel Skunk2
- head gasket witch make bigger compresion - i don't know how to translate it...


intake
- IM D16Z6
- pipe PRO-SPOTR
- filter PRO-SPORT
- cold air from uder bumper
- termo shield for filter

FUEL:
- injectors D16Z6 240cc

exhaust:
- 4-2-1
- 2,25'' MagnaFlow
- cat converter
- graphit thermo izolating bandage on 4-2-1

electronics:
- stering modul POWER-TEC ---> actually apexi + AFR
- tune ZT ZASTEC



gearbox:
- shortshift
- D16Z6 trany

Results: 153km 160nm

before and after ecu tune
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/8317/img003ab4.jpg

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3508 ... 299yy2.jpg
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/9643/image5apq6.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9285/image1avy0.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/9420/image2aci9.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2320/image6aog2.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9967/image4ais5.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/8020/damperkl6.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3764/2kolut6.jpg
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2171 ... er1ir9.jpg

... finaly
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/101/ ... 167001.jpg
http://images41.fotosik.pl/104/8e8376f7f8a72d25.jpg
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/9859 ... 042009.jpg

sory for links but "Your images may only be up to 1024 pixels wide"
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From the looks of it it actually appears to be a D14 indeed.
He had 124 hp and 137Nm of torque tuned .
I don't know if that's with or without the cam but i assume without the cam.

The final result was 153hp and 160nm of torque .

That's almost 30 hp gain with just a extreme cam :shock:
There must have been done much much more to that Head then just a cam.

I did a little more research and in this movie from 1.32min you actually see this D14 in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSz1TtPK ... re=related
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What a weird torque curve. A shame he does not put out more rpms. But I've nver seen such a progressive torque before. Normally you have the 4k dip (he has to), from there all D-series have a small rise in torque which flattens out and start declining again depending on the setup between 5.5 to 7.5 k. His torque rises enormously. Unbelievable high loading, his torque is higher than my B16B relatively. And my B16B with 175 Nm was already on the edge of volumetric possible efficiency (like 113%, a quick calc learns he must be around 118%).

Still the normal torque till 5k makes it a believable D14 to me... I should have this cam profile :mrgreen: .
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could it better cam than bisimoto's :shock:
isn't it weird the revs that has the max power?
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It could be a really good cam like a stage 3 or something (Bisimoto could do that too) But what i don't get is that it actually makes power without higher compression or any port & polish.Or the D14 is really a strange engine that likes sharp cams ? I don't know and on top of it all it's tuned with safc or some kind of ecu manipilator box .
If this guy makes that much hp with a extreme cam i don't know what to expect from my project ,if the D14 is that sensitive :(
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but wouldn't a such aggressive cam need higher revs to make power, and on the other hand would the performance
fall from 7100? :roll:
Are we sure it's not something else here?
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